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PostSubject: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? EmptyMon Sep 23, 2013 10:38 am

Shenanigans? Just late to editing..... who knows... what do you guys think?

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PostSubject: Re: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? EmptyMon Sep 23, 2013 3:26 pm

I always take this stuff with a grain of salt.

While I do feel that Gustaffson won the fight, I can't just point to a stat sheet and say "See?".
Whenever a fight is close, one side of the debate always says the numbers don't lie, while the other side always says the intangibles tell the real story (aggression, taking the center of the Octagon, damage done/taken, etc.).
The fact that there is such a wide margin between the two sets of numbers here tells me that I should probably lean towards the latter arguement (intangibles), because the stats are so unreliable.
I mean come on; how do the stats go from both fighters landing only siginificant strikes and Gustaffson holding a 71 strike advantage to Jones actually holding the advantage by 23? That's a 94 point swing right there. Really?
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PostSubject: Re: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? EmptyMon Sep 23, 2013 3:33 pm

Yeah, I'm with ya on the notion that stats don't tell the whole tale. But there is surely something odd there... that is a huge swing... especially for the exact same stat sheet.
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PostSubject: Re: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? EmptyThu Sep 26, 2013 6:52 am

Sooo how did Gustaffson lose 80 strikes in the edited numbers? How could they have been that off?
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PostSubject: Re: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? EmptyThu Sep 26, 2013 8:49 am

Yeah... even if it was just a "keying error", it's a pretty damn huge error.
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PostSubject: Re: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? EmptyThu Sep 26, 2013 2:37 pm

I find it humorous what they consider "significant" strikes.
Jones must hit softer than my 4 year old daughter if he can land 134 significant strikes on someone and not even knock him down.
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PostSubject: Re: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? EmptyThu Sep 26, 2013 3:29 pm

All of his lame ass knee kicks are counted as "significant"... even though they had little to no affect what so ever. Neutral
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