TUF 16 discussion *spoilers*

Chrom wrote:

Yeah, I think if it were the other way around Nelson likely wouldn't have been just sitting there laughing. He would have tried to stop it. But as Stock said, it's not his job to babysit. Especially for the other team.

Now, on to the Carwin injury. I think I recall Roy saying something about Carwin not fighting because he would likely get "injured"... am I just imagining that or did Roy actually call it?

Yeah, he definitely said that the fight would never happen.

And the fights this season have been horrible. There's only been 1 finish, right.

I was thinking about that...has there even been a finish?

stock wrote:

Yeah, I thought Colt handled it great as well. Why would Nelson care if that idiot through a punch or something and got kicked off the show?

The only thing Colt needs to work on is actually finishing a fight. He totally outgrappled Igor, but it never looked like he was going for a finish... only control and some short elbows.

That being said, Colt looks really small for that weight class and suspect he would drop to a smaller weight class in the UFC. Might be easier to finish guys that are his size?

you are absoulty right. Colt when he was with us at vanguard was fighting at 145 most of his time and really is where he should go back to. but you are right he is way to small for 170. If colt can apply his wrestling against manliy then i think we will seecolt in the finals. but even if he does win the whole thing he needs to drop weight even more so cause colts chin is very suspect. I have seen him get dropped with a right hook on several occasions in the gym and his first pro loss was a knockout too if i remember right.

samger2 wrote:

Thoughts on last nights episode? I think every week we say we've seen the most boring fight in TUF history...then there's one to up the ante. The Rivera/Manley fight was freaking HORRID. At first when Joey was put against he cage and John was trying for that takedown I was actually impressed with how well Joey was listening to his corner, but then it's like his mind went blank and he didn't feel like fighting. And Manley was too afraid to strike with him, so all he did was press him and take him down. Wow, most of these guys are going to FLOUNDER in the UFC.

Having said that I was very impressed with Ricci...if full on dominated Hill. I figured it would go as such, but man Hill had absolutely nothing to offer. Ricci looked pretty good with those John Jones style elbows too.

mainly/rivera was a snoozefest and i was surprised. both guys looked good in there last fights and i was expecting a good fight. unfortunatly i think it was a case of us getting two good fighters who didnt want to fight each other and this is the result of this. i hope mainly and colt arent the same way but when they announced there fight neither guy seemed happy about it. i was hoping my boy colt would have gotten ricci cause i think colt would have out muscled and grappled ricci for the entire fight and mainly and carwins other guy being both bigger strikers would have made more sense. honestly not that impressed with ricci though. hill shouldnt have even been in there. matt sector was screwed out of that spot big time and Hill has no ground game at all and his stand up is just sad. he's like an unorthadox brawler who knows one type of kick leg kick. almost half of the guys who have been eliminated could have beaten hill.

IDK I think Hill clearly has some crazy raw talent and possibly alot more strength then these guys. All these guys who out match him everywhere in the cage can't finish him. There's definitely something to say about that. Another year from now with some solid training and Hill is a killer IMO

He's obviously got something because he wouldn't have been picked for the show if they didn't see some talent, but he just hasn't shown it yet...he's got a beach physique, cool tattoos and a big mouth...but that's really all I've seen from him.

He has only 4 fights. Yet these seasoned vets with far more experience than he has had, can't seem to do shit to him. Like I said that should speak for it self. Ricci trains at Tristar for crying out loud, if you train with GSP and his gym you know not many guys out there are getting as good of training as you are. Also from what I have read Hill is the best his gym has at 170. They have a few up and comer guys at lighter weights though... If Hill was at Tristar I think we would be seeing a killer!

maybe i am being hard on the guy. I think it was all his smash mouth talking he did with sector and how he was going to smash his face in and then fight time came and neither guy did jack. i will say hill did show a bit more life in his ricci fight but not a lot more though.

It's hard to fight guys who just cling to you like monkeys...

Holy cow I'm so ready for Ricci to absolutely destroy Colton in the clinch. I haven't been a Colton fan all season, I know there's some love for him on the forum because we have some people that know him personally, so no disrespect intended...but his last fight against John really sealed the deal for me. I don't see him as a finisher, he presses and wrestles, and he's good at both, but he doesn't appear to be a finisher.

But damn, that finish by Ricci was what I've been waiting for all season...and he didn't even WANT to do that. I can't wait for Colton to press Ricci agains the cage and try to ride him out for a decision....

WAR RICCI!!!!

WhoooHOOOO for my boy colt making the finals. I do now give Hill more props after seeing what ricci did to that last guy he abvously has more skills than i thought before. i still think colt can win this whole thing. i am sure most will think ricci has this one but if colt can put on his normal wrestling clinic inside ithe cage i can see him winning a UD in this. Stand up i am worried about. i have said many times colts chin isnt the best and ricci has some very solid striking with power but i still feel colts got the advantage on the ground. if colt can take down ricci at will then colt will take this if he has a lot of trouble taking him down and keeping him there i think ricci could catch colt and it will be lights out. either way mad props to colt and for being the first vanguard fighter to make the TUF show and make it to the finals cant ask for to much more than that.

Sorry colt hasnt warmed up to you samger, i thought maybe after colts last 2 outings he might have won some of you guys over.Like keeping cool when igor was being a little drama queen baby and started acting like he was going to do some thing at the weigh ins or even how he handled himself after the manly fight and was trying to cheer him up after the loss. But hey you cant like every one right?

Really, my only problem with Colt is that he does not appear to be a finisher.
That being said, I assume a lot of this is driven by his large weight disadvantage. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that after another year or so of training and fighting guys his own size, he could be more exciting to watch.

stock wrote:

Really, my only problem with Colt is that he does not appear to be a finisher.
That being said, I assume a lot of this is driven by his large weight disadvantage. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that after another year or so of training and fighting guys his own size, he could be more exciting to watch.

I think i would give colt a 50/50 on that. he has always been known for being a grinder but he usually fights at 145/155 so i think you are right too that the size disadvantage made it easier for him to go that route. Plus with his chin it's a lot harder to get ko'ed when the dudes on his back. I just hope win or lose that he drops down to 145 again. he was pretty beast at that weight.

Colt seems OK as a person, but I just can't stand watching him fight. He's another one of those guy who just seems to have no interest in doing anything other than get in the clinch, get the TD, maintain position, rinse, and repeat. I know that style is effective, but its mind-numbingly painful to watch as a spectator. Hopefully Ricci can get him out of that comfort zone and force him into a fight.