The MMA Standard
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.


UFC & MMA News, Updates, Discussion & Virtual Betting
 
UFC & MMA NewsMMA RankingsHomePublicationsSearchRegisterLog in
Most active topic starters
Chrom
UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_lcapUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Voting_barUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_rcap 
Triggerman99
UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_lcapUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Voting_barUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_rcap 
drainbamage
UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_lcapUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Voting_barUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_rcap 
Gecko
UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_lcapUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Voting_barUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_rcap 
9Teen_AT4
UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_lcapUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Voting_barUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_rcap 
Krieger
UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_lcapUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Voting_barUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_rcap 
butterknifeninja
UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_lcapUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Voting_barUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_rcap 
stock
UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_lcapUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Voting_barUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_rcap 
FistK
UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_lcapUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Voting_barUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_rcap 
samger2
UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_lcapUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Voting_barUFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Vote_rcap 
Latest topics
Affiliates
November 2024
MonTueWedThuFriSatSun
    123
45678910
11121314151617
18192021222324
252627282930 
CalendarCalendar
Similar topics
Affiliates
free forum


 

 UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?

Go down 
4 posters
AuthorMessage
Chrom
Hall of Famer
Hall of Famer
Chrom


Posts : 5966
Standard Cash : 23051
Reputation : 257
Join date : 2011-07-06
Age : 43
Location : Minnesota

UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Empty
PostSubject: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? EmptyMon Sep 23, 2013 10:38 am

Shenanigans? Just late to editing..... who knows... what do you guys think?

The original numbers
UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? MPABM6e

The edited numbers
UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Dqk7xj

FightMetric numbers
UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Jones_10
Back to top Go down
Triggerman99
Title Holder
Title Holder
Triggerman99


Posts : 5981
Standard Cash : 59645
Reputation : 512
Join date : 2011-07-11
Age : 43
Location : New York

UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? EmptyMon Sep 23, 2013 3:26 pm

I always take this stuff with a grain of salt.

While I do feel that Gustaffson won the fight, I can't just point to a stat sheet and say "See?".
Whenever a fight is close, one side of the debate always says the numbers don't lie, while the other side always says the intangibles tell the real story (aggression, taking the center of the Octagon, damage done/taken, etc.).
The fact that there is such a wide margin between the two sets of numbers here tells me that I should probably lean towards the latter arguement (intangibles), because the stats are so unreliable.
I mean come on; how do the stats go from both fighters landing only siginificant strikes and Gustaffson holding a 71 strike advantage to Jones actually holding the advantage by 23? That's a 94 point swing right there. Really?
Back to top Go down
Chrom
Hall of Famer
Hall of Famer
Chrom


Posts : 5966
Standard Cash : 23051
Reputation : 257
Join date : 2011-07-06
Age : 43
Location : Minnesota

UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? EmptyMon Sep 23, 2013 3:33 pm

Yeah, I'm with ya on the notion that stats don't tell the whole tale. But there is surely something odd there... that is a huge swing... especially for the exact same stat sheet.
Back to top Go down
FistK
Title Holder
Title Holder
FistK


Posts : 1661
Standard Cash : 12811
Reputation : 190
Join date : 2011-07-18

UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? EmptyThu Sep 26, 2013 6:52 am

Sooo how did Gustaffson lose 80 strikes in the edited numbers? How could they have been that off?
Back to top Go down
Chrom
Hall of Famer
Hall of Famer
Chrom


Posts : 5966
Standard Cash : 23051
Reputation : 257
Join date : 2011-07-06
Age : 43
Location : Minnesota

UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? EmptyThu Sep 26, 2013 8:49 am

Yeah... even if it was just a "keying error", it's a pretty damn huge error.
Back to top Go down
stock
Top 10 King
Top 10 King
stock


Posts : 2377
Standard Cash : 35393
Reputation : 274
Join date : 2011-08-01
Location : Madison

UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? EmptyThu Sep 26, 2013 2:37 pm

I find it humorous what they consider "significant" strikes.
Jones must hit softer than my 4 year old daughter if he can land 134 significant strikes on someone and not even knock him down.
Back to top Go down
Chrom
Hall of Famer
Hall of Famer
Chrom


Posts : 5966
Standard Cash : 23051
Reputation : 257
Join date : 2011-07-06
Age : 43
Location : Minnesota

UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? EmptyThu Sep 26, 2013 3:29 pm

All of his lame ass knee kicks are counted as "significant"... even though they had little to no affect what so ever. Neutral
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content





UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Empty
PostSubject: Re: UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?   UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ? Empty

Back to top Go down
 
UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Numbers Shenanigans ?
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» Jones vs. Gustafsson: Who do you think won and why?
» UFC 165 Jones vs. Gustafsson: Fighters Opinions
» Gustafsson: Jon Jones Is A Spoiled Brat Trapped In A Grown Man’s Body

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
The MMA Standard :: UFC-
Jump to: